PLEASE NOTE: This is a very rough transcript of some conversations during the show.
Panelist: Lorry Thiboutot, Bob Shine
Show summary: In this episode of Wisdom Dialogues, Hope Johnson shares her thoughts on a sexual perverted culture, karma and reincarnation and depression. She reminds us that everything is an illusion. The world has no past, nor future. So, recognizing the feelings that arise when we think of our past, no matter how dark, is the start of healing. Seeing everything as a benefit will shift our minds into openness and forgiveness. We are not separated from God nor reality and that’s the awesome truth.
Q: Awareness of sexual perverted culture and children used for sex trafficking and abuse
HJ: A sexually perverted culture is within our mind. It is projected from the mind to mind. Sexual perversion has no place in a sane mind. The mind is insane when it is perceiving that. Having a perception of perversion brings darkness to that awareness. No one belongs to a sexually perverted culture. It is projection of the mind.
Follow-up Q: Pedophilia becoming normal and accepted in today’s society. Kids used as sex-object. My child and husband getting paranoid and worried about it.
HJ: Paranoia and worry brings pedophilia up again and again. The worry is a self-belief about society being that way. It is projecting more of the same things. Worry makes you see it more in society. It multiplies in our perception of how society is. Everyone has their own subjective perception. If you are a couple who has paranoia on sex trade and pedophilia, not everyone is like this. Personally, I don’t get worked up about it because this perception not coming from me. How you perceive the world is coming from your own mind but no one shares the same perception. The whole world makes you think you are correct that you separate yourself from reality. But the truth is, you are not separated from reality. It is just a feeling. Paranoia is the fear of losing this image and after that is oblivion. The human’s function is to undo the self-belief that’s causing it.
Nothing is happening. What we fear and worry about is not happening. It is in the imagination only where it is a secret wish to replace a world. What do you do? Do what you are made to do. Doing is automatic. I made a move to do what is necessary to undo guilty self-belief. The ego lead us to thinking that we are separate from reality. So, it brings up suffering to show us there must be a better way. All is a benefit. If I feel sad, the feelings of sadness is my own projection.
B: People talk about pedophilia and child molestation. The children who are abused and unhealed from become desensitize and unfeeling to other people’s suffering. So, they end up inflicting to others the same thing. That’s how people believe that.
HJ: There is no history. There is no past. If you believe it happened, you repress the pain and hide it instead. The repressed pain becomes a need to hurt other people. So, the healing is recognizing the truth. Recognizing that nothing happened is by getting the real feeling about it. Recognize what you are projecting and the feeling represented itself in that projection. After recognizing that, the feeling becomes healed. Whatever past is a projection. It is like a circle. Below is the self-belief, then the thought projection and above is the feeling. The feelings, self-belief and thought projection is the cycle that upholds the world. We uphold the world by making this thing true. When a thought arise, there is no emotional charge anymore thru recognition. As long as you have a projection of being a victim, you will keep getting the feeling of being a victim. Looking into that allows things to be undone. But projecting is okay because it will bring awareness. Then, it is a benefit because of the awareness.
People usually feel guilty because they think they screw up. But you never screwed up so you can’t get it wrong. If you keep an eye on your guilty self-belief, the projection will not have power. The projection doesn’t go anywhere unless you believe it. But, you are not screwing up instead, you are learning. No one is touched by illusion. Reality from the illusion is nothing. It is forgotten. Your teaching-learning ground is to go back to sanity and heaven where we are.
B: It is getting in touched with our feelings but the problem is sex abusers are cut off from any feeling. They want to see others abused because they fear they will feel hurt if they don’t.
H: When we have perceptions, we are in a dance in them. What do you do? Have compassion. I have been near predators but I go, “Oh yeah, not with me.” I do not see him that way but only for who he is. I’m making it up if think him that way.
B: Some go thru a spiritual experience getting raped. The victim feels a release and love. Then, the perpetrator asks, “Aren’t you afraid?” The woman answers, “No, I understand you,” and feels compassion for him in the end. So, the key is am I feeling?
H: Anyone is asking you to show them their innocence. An insane mind convince people to feel guilty but people are unaware of it. It takes conscious effort to avoid the guilty feelings.
B: That’s the story of Frankenstein. Everyone thinks he is a monster so, he is violent towards the townspeople until he meets a girl who doesn’t know he is a monster. Because the girl doesn’t see him as a monster, he is kind and gentle to her. Then, Frankenstein sees and meets a blind man who invites him to have a smoke. He feels welcomed and so, he shows his good side to him. The innocence of these persons are projected into Frankenstein.
H: Good illustration!
Thomas Garrett (listener): I am from Colorado. I want to say that owning feelings interrupts the story. Owning feelings mean I am here and nobody is out there. To deny feelings is like going to hell.
H: Denying feelings is like going to hell.
TG: I learned to dive into the feeling. It is me in the moment. It feels like I am not in the world. My feelings are mine.
H: Agree, you are not in the world. I feel excited for you.
Q: How to compassionately tell someone if they are abuse because they wanted it.
H: You don’t teach anyone. You don’t hear your teaching you own mind but you are always teaching the mind. The guidance in the present moment will tell you where to go. When you feel compassionate, you know exactly what you will say. You will get their reaction on what you are on. The ego will pound some concept making you believe it is true. But, when you show compassion, it will reflect and others will see your compassion. When you have compassion, you will know what to say and share. The imagination projects past and future but the world has no past and future.
Awareness makes healing possible. When you follow the ego guidance, you are afraid that you are unworthy of reality and you are subject to death but it is because you want to hide from reality. The perception’s purpose is to undo what’s causing that.
Q: How can you purify your karma and reincarnation?
H: These concepts are meaningless. Karma and reincarnation don’t mean anything. What matters is what you are using it for. There is nothing to purify karma because there is no karma nor reincarnation. In this life, there is not true or false, right or wrong. All of that is just an illusion.
B: It just perpetuates death.
H: Yes, purifying karma is synonymous to guilty self – belief, the belief in separation from reality. Believing there is karma to purify upholds the belief of that concept. It only matters when it is only functional. If not, it perpetuates guilty self-belief. Believing in karma signifies there is a past that needs to bring down. No one is on different levels. To believe that then you are not seeing them as they are. You just want to see them that way. Why do want that? Because feelings arise based on the self-belief. And you start projecting that to people. All are just symbols.
B: Some people believe that karma means you sow what you reap, you reap what you sow. When you reap negativity, you reap things like pedophilia and sex trafficking….
H: The question is what is it being used for? You always have a choice. You can always make a choice. It is inside work. Just say, “Thank you,” when someone is offensive.
B: Christ level is the true level of everyone. Christ saw everyone in Christ level.
H: You don’t have to act like a teacher on anyone. There is no need to impart to anyone.
B: We are always students.
H: When you think you are teaching others, you are actually teaching yourself what you say.
L: Hope, at first did you tell yourself, “Nothing’s happened, nothing’s happened,”
H: I don’t have any recollection of how I did it but I find myself say, “I am making this up”. This is a benefit, projecting anger, this a benefit.
L: I can feel some warmth in my body. Your words now are resonating deeper.
H: You are getting the experience. When it sinks deeper, it is easier for you to open up.
Q: I cringe all the time when I encounter a thought, song or memory. I feel like my skin is sensitive.
H: It’s a benefit. Look at it as a benefit rather than as a problem. When you cry about it, it is okay. Crying is healing and you are not overlaying it. Step backing to look at what’s going on within you is a benefit. It brings you back. You just need to say, “Thank you,” about it.
H: Take it the way they will take it. Fear prevents you from getting it. Believing they are dangerous is a defensive means because you just don’t want to get it.
Q: feel concerned
H: Only you can give innocence thru compassion. You want to perceive people so they become violent. It is all benefit.
Q: Your children are unschooled gamers. Do you have internet regulation at home?
H: No regulation because I don’t see a need for myself to be regulated. If I start regulating myself, it will be projected to others to be regulated.
Q: 11 – 12 ages are ages of curiosity so, they explore pornography…
H: There is nothing to do about it. Believing that I need to control them means their innocence is lost. Whatever it is, allow it to play out at the age of 11 -12. I have no problem with computer use/ internet. If you show a non-projected connection to your children, they open up to you. There is no judgement or advice to be a good person. Our function is to reveal innocence. Just be honest. It takes time. It is a benefit.
B: But the problem is, innocence is rare because most grow up feeling guilty of how they perceive sex. Sexual milieu is a sin according to Catholicism. Sex, when it is the most beautiful, the source of producing a next generation…
H: Bob, I need to stop you there for a while because sex is nothing. It is equal to anything. It is an illusion to say it is beautiful and so on. It is nothing. It doesn’t matter like anything else. Making it matter, makes the illusion stronger.
B: So, it is seeing everything as neutral
H: Yes, everything is neutral. To give something meaning upholds the whole world. We need to undo the illusion and not make it true.
T: I support the idea that there’s no world out there. I want to call it as remembering innocence rather than revealing innocence. It feels like waking up and seeing myself as a child again.
H: It is protecting innocence. In the world, innocence is being attacked. In the world-view, innocence is lost. But within the self, it is not gone.
Q: Opening myself up to HJ’s wisdom, depression gets in.
H: It is the doing of the ego. What purpose does it have? It is a common ego thinking. The world has a purpose. We need to undo guilty self-belief. First believe, this is a benefit. Then, depression is going to unravel faster and faster. When you look at it as a benefit, you are telling the ego, “I am not going to control you anymore,” ego will be sad. We swore with ego to uphold the world. It is feeling sad if we do not listen to it.
Yulia Shevchenko (listener): My topic is my kids. I can’t communicate with people on my view about there is no problem and no money. I get caught up about it. I don’t know how to let them see my view.
H: There is no need to know how. When you make thought processes meaningful, it will make you confused.
Y: How do you talk to people about it?
H: You don’t talk to anyone. There is no ‘how’ on it. You just keep listening.
Y: I don’t not know about listening
H: You want to keep the illusion real. All is meaningless. But making it meaningful, you believe something bad is going to happen and there is fear about it.
Y: So, it is the same with everything else?
B: Trying to see how is just another mind prism. You just need to say, “Thank you for sharing that,” then dismiss.
Y: So, I do not have a choice.
H: Agreeing or disagreeing is the same thing. They persist because you are interested in it.
Y: My kids don’t believe in the conversation. But we have this conversation about it. I try to argue and it all becomes twisted. Can you explain why not to do anything?
H: Agreeing and disagreeing just makes the illusion more true. Hearing something is impossible. It is like taking you to a mind game and making the concept solidified. These concepts are validated by someone else.
Y: I feel pressured having to motivate them. I just don’t know what to do.
H: Stay like that.
Y: They tell me I am smart and capable. They can’t believe…
H: You don’t need to convince. Coming back to it is a benefit. Allowing the feeling to rise in you that reflects who you are. That’s how it gets resolved. What’s motivating those thoughts? Mind is enslaved by thought processes. The perception of not getting it right is a benefit. Think of it as a benefit. It is just an illusion and it is going to make you feel guilty. But it is always a benefit.
Y: I want to communicate this to my boyfriend but he doesn’t get it.
H: You are getting a validation. Go back to what’s motivating this. Why is there a want for validation?
Y: There is this feeling of “ugh!”
H: That is also benefit. A lot of thoughts says that it is true. Just say, “Thank you.” There’s no need for a reason.
Y: So, I just make a story.
H: No need to explain. But thoughts in the mind says there is a need to explain. We’re all in our own mind. We are seeing our own projection. Making them say that if they don’t get it. It is to get this feeling. But no need to do that.
T: Extend the innocence is a nice message.
H: I appreciate it. If it resonates, change it as extend the innocence. Protect the innocence by protecting that space.
Q: reason manifest
H: We don’t want to know why because we don’t want to see the world destroyed. We justify those things by worldly things. By following ego guidance, we feel worse. The more you know yourself, the more it is painful. Because you want to go home by making a different decision.
Q: Not feel guilty to separate from God but feel guilt out of other worldly ideas
H: It is a distraction. We are not separated from God is because we are not guilty of anything. If you are separated from God, the assumption makes you think you are deserving of death. The guilt is there from the self-belief that you separated and made an illusion. There is intense guilt because you can’t handle it.